ELVEN GLYPHS ANCIENT BATHS HOW TO
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You need to know how to say it to pronounce Simbelmyne, which I was astonished to hear done right (or close enough) in the second movie.

Rather, it is a front, closed, rounded sound which does not occur in English. Īnother thing that seems to have confused you is what he’s calling a fronted ‹u› as in French lune. The same relationship exists between the long vowel of beat versus the short vowel of bit. Think of French é versus French è : the first is tenser and closer than the second. When Tolkien speaks of long vowels being pronounced tenser and ‘closer’, this is not weird to a phonologist. This really isn’t true any longer, and may not have been then given CJRT’s sensibilities. I believe Christopher argued for retaining Kirith Ungol for Cirith Ungol and such, but his father assumed most readers would know Latin. English is something of an exception to this with its wacky vowels, although French and Dutch have also drifted notably. Most languages start with the five Latin values for their five vowels if they’re using a Latin script Spanish still has those original five phonemic vowel sounds.

You also have to realize that it is ˈDenethor because the ‹th› is a digraph which in Elvish is written as a single consonant, such as in Míriel Þerinde using English thorn for the tengwa thúle. While the stress is regular, it sometimes falls on a syllable other than where English would normally place it: English would say ˈImladris, but Sindarin requires Imˈladris. The hard ‹c› is especially problematic, and the stress can be tricky. I do not know that this has been proven true. Tolkien thought that by using the Latin vowels and the Latin hard ‹c›, he was making things easier on his readers. You can tell he was starting from Latin because of his use of Latin’s hard ‹c›, such as in Celeborn not, Cæsar not, or veni vidi vici not. When he uses Latin letters, as he did when not using tengwar or cirth, his basic values for his vowels are those they held in Latin, not those they hold in Modern English now after the Great Vowel Shift.

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Well, Tolkien uses professional terminology that may not be wholly accessible to the non-technical reader. Getting the pronunciations right, or right enough and 'Designing The Two Towers'.įooteramas: The 3rd TORn Reading Room LotR Discussion and 'Tolkien would have LOVED it!'

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Lights! Action! Discuss on the Movie board!: 'A Journey in the Dark'. RR Discussions: The Valaquenta, A Shortcut to Mushrooms, and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit Do you know when this system was developed in the field of technical linguistics? Was it after Tolkien wrote his Appendix E? Would he have used it for Appendix E if he could have?

It's Greek to me (some of it really is Greek, evidently). You are using a sophisticated set of symbols to represent sounds, that look a lot more precise (if a lot more alien) than the 26 letters we usually depend on. Your technical explanation shows us that there's a lot more to thinking about and writing about vowels than calling out 'short a' and 'long a', etc. You have certainly confirmed that, in my opinion! In my discussion of that chapter, I noticed myself that Tolkien made very many assumptions about vowel pronunciations.

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